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Being an Atheist, I wholeheartedly concur with the Gorvernment.

We had separation of church and state a LONG time ago. There should be no religion of any faith in a public governmental meeting.

As my opinion goes all religion should be banned. There is no redeeming value to it.

No religion practices inclusion, so it all is irrelevant crap that has no place in 2007, the comment by the councillor is from 1007.

Put an end to ALL religion, France is right get rid of all idolatry in schools and all public places and let’s tax the churches as the businesses they are. Tax them right out of business

These parasitical vultures prey upon the poor deluded sheep and are in the business of selling salvation to the sick and the lonely and the mentally ill and all other forms of society that have social and behavioural problems. SHAME on all who practise this ‘pixie dust’.

Modern society has no place for religion.

Inclusiveness is a liberal party failure. I know you support these ‘Tories in red ties’ but all multiculturalism does is make ppl into ghettoes. We need a melting pot and if those who want to come here don’t want to practise our European heritage they are free to travel and live elsewhere. That attitude comes from someone far left of you on the scale.

Kill multiculturalism and make everyone follow our values. We can always point them elsewhere.

This is one Terry that you & I will never agree on.

Read history, Canada was a country far to the right of even the UK at the outbreak or WWII and all those veterans did not spill their blood for this botched social experiment in trying not to hurt someone’s feelings….Don’t like European Canada, go elsewhere and good luck with your search!!

Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming ~ WOO HOO what a ride!~

“The illusion of freedom in America will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre.”- Frank Zappa, 1977.

Eccentricity is not, as dull people would have us believe, a form of madness. It is often a kind of innocent pride, and the man of genius and the aristocrat are frequently regarded as eccentrics because genius and aristocrat are entirely unafraid of and uninfluenced by the opinions and vagaries of the crowd.

I completley agree with commenter number 1.

In order to be inclusive you have to get rid of exclusive prayers for certain groups of people. Saying all prayers don’t cut it because not everyone has them. Religion has no place in governance on any level except in a church. Say your prayers before entering the room.

“As my opinion goes all religion should be banned. There is no redeeming value to it.”

“Modern society has no place for religion.”

Sorry Gord, and those who agree with him, but you just proved that your opinion is based on anti-religious bigotry. Your assumptions are most likely based on ignorance of religion. Are you aware of some of the social services that religions provide?

An example: at the church that I attend the congregation purchased a bus to drive to the inner city areas and provide a warm, safe place where people can get a bite to eat.

Another: I am planning to go to Africa this summer and provide medical care and aid through a Christian organization.

Are these some of the activities that modern society has no place for?

Any social services provided by any Religious organization has an underlying purpose and that usually entails the children being intorduced to Christianity, and conversion. I have seen so many documentary’s and books on this subject. Disgusting. A bible solves nothing.

Why not do work for a secular organization ? At least the money goes completley to aid and not into christian literature for the hungry and needy. Its not anti-religious bigotry, it is preventing another persons faith from being forced on others. If anything its protecting the integrity of an individual person with an individual personality from being indoctrinated and trained to support divisive world views that are not their own.

I agree with your point, Jay, that proselytization within organized religion is definitely “a problem” - at least for me. There is virtually no one left in the world who is unaware of the existence of the multitude of religions on Earth. Moreover, finding information on any of the religions that might pique one’s interest is also quite effortless.

I heartily agree that a less in-your-face attitude taken by religious organizations would be preferred, by me. However, it is hard to say that religious organizations cannot do what merchandise peddling companies do all-day every day.

And, Gord, I also agree the churches and religious organizations should be taxed on every dollar that is not spent going back to the community.

So Jay, are you saying that a dead orphan in Africa is better, or more desirable, than one that has been fed and given medical care, and in the process is exposed to Christian teachings? I know that you have been polarized to the point of saying “amen” (no pun intended) to the guy who wants to bring an end to organized religion (echoes of the great “philosopher” Elton John I might add). But really what is wrong with people sharing their beliefs?

Furthermore, a lot of great things are done by those who go out sharing. Think of all the wells being dug, shelters being built, mosquito nets hung, orphans being fed and so on. Are these deeds any less worthy of praise when they are being done by Christians? Or any religious person for that matter?

Atheists always talk about beliefs being forced upon people, and this statement really confuses me. Any evangelizing that I have done, or seen, involves a choice made by the individual. No forcing is involved. I don’t really understand where this statement comes from. Maybe you could expand on that? Can you tell me about a believer that came to faith because of someone forcing it upon them? Could I make a believer out of you by forcing my beliefs on you?

Adam,

I wholeheartedly agree that I am bigoted against ALL religion. It has no use. I would rather see those people go WITHOUT those social services, than pay the price you vultures charge for them.

I am not ignorant about religion, how dare you make such an assumption. I have a bible and a Q’ran and understand Judaism, Sikhism and most others. I just understand that it is all evil and you cannot have fundamental without mental.

These Faerie tales are inspired ‘likely’ by space travellers. I suppose you have not seen the cave drawings showing flying vessels with engines and antennae? Kinda hard for knuckle dragging Cro-Mags to envision that huh?

I saw a wonderful button the other day….”You don’t pray in my schools and I won’t think in your churches”….you people are inherently evil.

I couldn’t care less about your bus, that should be provided by taxes. There is too much human cost to your gifts.

As to going to Africa, Bring some B-1’s and do some real good, these people have never had to provide for themselves as all they had to do was fornicate, peel a banana and make sure the Leopard didn’t catch them. Perhaps you should read Professor J. Philippe Rushton and his theories on race and their differences. This is a great man pilloried by the politically correct sludge, that pollute our society.The white and Oriental are not genetically superior it is conditioning by environment.
Also read this… http://www.mkaku.org/article_physicsofextra.htm

This is where we will go as our Sun super-nova’s (admittedly in 5 billion years). It is backwards thinking religious vultures that oppose a woman choosing her choice on abortion and me to choose that I want Stem Cell research from embryo cells or cells from clones so I stay alive for 500 years and F**k your phoney god. You represent all that is WRONG with this world. We need to go to the future and do without the regressive elements you represent…..Why provide medical services to people who have not even been able over 10.000 years to figure out crop rotation? They should starve and always will starve and don’t ask me for one penny from taxes never mind my pocket to save them. They are their own worst problem. If your inherent guilt wants you to see this garbage venture as a mission go…….but when you are macheted to death don’t look to me from you non-existent afterlife for tears. I will say you got what you deserved. We need to rid ourselves of the genetic abnormality that makes up you and your ilk. Which is why I am extremely favourable to genetic selection.

Yes this is EXACTLY the type of activities we in the modern world has no place for. If you wish to go to your mythical heaven, I have a suggestion for you………………….

If you ever take this erroneous, sanctimonious, uneducated & condescending tone with me again, I will show you in NO uncertain terms what vitriol means

This is where we will go once we get rid of the bigotry of religion, my bigotry looks like benevolence against yours.

Whether or not Jay says it is his business…..But i will say it, YES they are better dead than exposed to your lies

I just have no idea how to respond to such vitriol and hate. You go from saying religion should be banned, to saying we should bomb those living in poverty, to wishing for my death. And then you say I am bigoted and your bigotry is superior to mine… How am I supposed to take you seriously?

Wow.

Adam,

no where do I wish for your death, I said “.but when you are macheted to death don’t look to me from you non-existent afterlife for tears.” The suggestion I refer to is the use of Kevorkian’s methods, to which I greatly agree.

Did you read the link I posted, http://www.mkaku.org/article_physicsofextra.htm it very clearly posts my position on how this world works.

I really believe that you think you are doing good work, but you are not. I posted an article just for you on the next topic so you can see what you truly are supporting. It is the rise of fascism.

Do you think by any stretch of the imagination that your work in Africa will change 10,000 years of starvation? As I said if you feel it’s something you have to do to assuage your guilt go.

I feel you are urinating in a gale though

Your referenced article on how the world works reads like a science fiction novel, and I am not surprised given some of the views you have expressed.

I know that it is difficult for you to understand this, but try to stay with me on this.

Religion is not something that came from UFO’s (this was one of the more ridiculous statements that you made. I also enjoyed the button followed up with the proclamation of eeeeeevil!). Each religion has its own history. Mine is that a man (fully man and fully God) was born of a virgin, fulfilling prophecies, lived a sinless life, performing miracles along the way, told us to show love to each other and eventually died on the cross for all of humanity. My mission to Africa is to show that kind of compassion to people who have committed no crime other than being born into the wrong circumstances. That’s right, no guilt, just showing the love that He wanted us to.

I have been to Africa before. I have reached out and received the tiny hand of an orphan that is HIV+. I have cradled 3 year old malnourished children that are the size of a newborn here in Canada.

You are naive to think that you can change my mind by simply stating “you are not [doing good work].”

To answer your final question, the short answer is yes, I do. However, I am but one tiny part of the puzzle. I never claimed that I will singlehandedly solve the problem of poverty in Africa. There is a lot work to be done, so why wouldn’t I lend my services?

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens
can change the world; indeed it’s the only thing that ever has.”
-Margaret Mead

I did warn you about being condescending, you mouth breathing, knuckle dragging ape.

That science fiction you so readily deride has become Scientific reality in so many cases I wouldn’t even begin to try to explain it to you.

In the 30’s we saw movies that showed people communicating with voice and video from rocket ships that crossed the screens with visible strings and now we have webcams and mics etc..

People like you who aren’t smart enough to see beyond their narrow concepts of religion are not something I want breeding and polluting the gene pool.

The button does make sense. Not perhaps to the mentally damaged, but to those of us who think outside the box.

This statement “Mine is that a man (fully man and fully God) was born of a virgin, fulfilling prophecies, lived a sinless life, performing miracles along the way, told us to show love to each other and eventually died on the cross for all of humanity.”

Should have you taken involuntarily to an asylum and injected with large amounts of Lithium and subjected to electro-shock treatment…and you have the unmitigated gall to talk to me about Sci-Fi?? Harharharhar

This” I have been to Africa before. I have reached out and received the tiny hand of an orphan that is HIV+. I have cradled 3 year old malnourished children that are the size of a newborn here in Canada.” Do you want a cookie now or later?

“You are naive to think that you can change my mind ….”

I am not naive, nor trying to change your thoughts, I won’t disparage the word mind with you. You have already shown your thoughts are closed. “My mind’s made up, don’t confuse me with facts” Man you are something else and by that I mean deluded and uneducated.

As to Margaret Mead, I agree and we will stop you no matter what it takes.

Is that the sound of Machete’s being sharpened?

Difficult for me to understand indeed….I am not the delusional, maniacal, single simple minded evangelical. Don’t think I missed that you consider yourself one. SHAME on you. Trading food and medicine for myths….you utterly disgust me.

Out damn spot, out I say.

Here ya go adam…throw out that stupid bible and get a sensible book….

Ammunition for Atheists
By Jack Huberman, Nation Books. Posted February 8, 2007.

In his new book, The Quotable Atheist, author Jack Huberman has collected powerful quotations against organized religion and belief in God from figures such as Richard Dawkins, Phyllis Diller, Frederick Douglass, Michael Moore, Katha Pollitt, and yes, Jerry Falwell.
The following is an excerpt from Jack Huberman’s new book, The Quotable Atheist: Ammunition for Nonbelievers, Political Junkies, Gadflies, and Those Generally Hell-Bound (Nation Books, 2007).
The world (not just America) is deeply divided.The main fault line is where the tectonic plates of religion and of reason/secularism/ modernity/science/Enlightenment meet and grind against each other,making an absolutely unbearable noise. It’s sort of like … forget it, I can’t describe it.
My aim in compiling The Quotable Atheist was to heal our broken planet, essentially by eliminating the religious part. Not with nuclear weapons or lesser acts of mass murder, no — that’s the religious style, nowadays, in certain quarters — but through argument, persuasion, and most of all (since I know perfectly well that argument is utterly useless against dumb, blind faith, and just wanted to pay it lip service), the steady application of powerfully abrasive ridicule which will slowly but surely erode away the offending continent. I’m serious. Do I really believe this book will convert believers and turn them from the path of self-righteousness to the path of righteousness? Yes. A few. Three, I estimate. Two for sure. But the point is this:
For years, millions of fine, upstanding American atheists and agnostics have watched and stewed as the religious right expanded its influence throughout public life, and as America closed its mind and opened its heart to angels, aliens, ghosts, psychics, Jesus, astrology, Kabbalah, Genesis, Revelation. … As Sam Harris wrote in The End of Faith, “Unreason is now ascendant in the United States — in our schools, in our courts, and in each branch of the federal government. Only 28 percent of Americans believe in evolution; 68 percent believe in Satan. Ignorance in this degree, concentrated in both the head and belly of a lumbering superpower, is now a problem for the entire world.”
Meanwhile, religion continues to be granted far too much respect and too little critical examination in our culture and mainstream media.We need to change the cultural climate so as to make supernatural, occult, and faith-based claptrap feel unwelcome and to make adults ashamed of the blithe surrender of their otherwise sound minds to idiocy.We need climate change. Bullshit levels are rising globally, threatening to submerge intellectually low-lying areas. Much of the United States is already inundated.Temperatures are rising; IQs are dropping. Four of the five stupidest years on record have occurred since 2000.
I would of course have preferred a declaration by the president of the United States — purportedly God’s messenger on earth — stating that neither God nor WMDs ever existed and that most religious beliefs are untrue and harmful, and urging citizens to bring their minds back up at least to an eighteenth-century stage of development. (I have proposed this plan in a letter to George W. Bush, but haven’t heard back yet. They must be hashing out the details.) Failing that, it is up to atheist/secularist groups and individuals to do what we can to stop global worming (people groveling like worms before nonexistent deities). That’s where this book comes in.
As a number of these collected quotes say (far more wittily): Religion in general is based on falsehoods — comforting beliefs in a heavenly parent or big brother; hopes of surviving death — and on utility or expedience: socially cohesive tribal myths; politically useful codes of law and behavior; divine ordination of rulers (including certain presidents); attempts to explain, influence, or placate nature and the elements; the wish to raise ourselves above (i.e., deny our place among) the animals. Religion may help people feel their lives have a loftier purpose than the mere satisfaction of material wants and sensual desires, but it does it with smoke and mirrors, at the cost of our respect for truth and of our integrity and dignity.
The following quotes are selected from The Quotable Atheist.
Richard Dawkins: Kenyan-born British zoologist and evolutionary theorist.
“Could we get some otherwise normal humans and somehow persuade them that they are not going to die as a consequence of flying a plane smack into a skyscraper? … The afterlifeobsessed suicidal brain really is a weapon of immense power and danger. It is comparable to a smart missile. …Yet … it is very very cheap. …To fill a world with religion, or religions of the Abrahamic kind, is like littering the streets with loaded guns. Do not be surprised if they are used.” - 2001
“[A letter to a U.K. newspaper] says ’science provides an explanation of the mechanism of the [December 2004 Asian] tsunami but it cannot say why this occurred any more than religion can.’ There, in one sentence, we have the religious mind displayed before us in all its absurdity. In what sense of the word ‘why’, does plate tectonics not provide the answer? Not only does science know why the tsunami happened, it can give precious hours of warning. If a small fraction of the tax breaks handed out to churches, mosques and synagogues had been diverted into an early warning system, tens of thousands of people, now dead, would have been moved to safety. Let’s get up off our knees, stop cringing before bogeymen and virtual fathers, face reality, and help science to do something constructive about human suffering.”
Phyllis Diller: (1917– ), American comedian.
“Religion is such a medieval idea. Don’t get me started. … Aahh, it’s all about money…”
Phil Donahue: (1935-) American talk-show host.
From Donahue’s 1985 book The Human Animal:
“Science may have come a long way, but as far as religion is concerned, we are first cousins to the !Kung tribesmen of the Kalahari Desert. Except for the garments, their deep religious trances might just as well be happening at a revival meeting or in the congregation of a fundamentalist TV preacher. … As we move further from the life of ignorance and superstition in which religion has its roots, we seem to need it more and more. … Why has religion become a force just when we’d have thought it would be losing ground to secularism?”
Frederick Douglass: (1818-1895), African-American abolitionist leader.
“I prayed for freedom for twenty years, but received no answer until I prayed with my legs.”
“The church of this country is not only indifferent to the wrongs of the slave, it actually takes sides with the oppressors. … For my part, I would say, welcome infidelity! Welcome atheism! Welcome anything! in preference to the gospel, as preached by these Divines! They convert the very name of religion into an engine of tyranny and barbarous cruelty, and serve to confirm more infidels, in this age, than all the infidel writings of Thomas Paine, Voltaire, and Bolingbroke put together have done!”
“We have men sold to build churches, women sold to support the gospel, and babes sold to purchase Bibles for the poor heathen, all for the glory of God and the good of souls. The slave auctioneer’s bell and the church-going bell chime in with each other, and the bitter cries of the heart-broken slave are drowned in the religious shouts of his pious master. Revivals of religion and revivals in the slave trade go hand in hand.”
Jerry Falwell: (1933- ), American evangelical pastor, televangelist, and leading excrescence.
“Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions.”
Thomas Jefferson: (1743-1826), third U.S. president.
“I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies.”
“Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man. … perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind … a mere contrivance [for the clergy] to filch wealth and power to themselves.”
“In every country and in every age the priest has been hostile to liberty, he is always in allegiance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection of his own. … History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. … Political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves [of public ignorance] for their own purpose.”
Michael Moore: (1954- ), American documentary filmmaker and author.
“There’s a gullible side to the American people. They can be easily misled. Religion is the best device used to mislead them.”
Katha Pollitt: (1949- ), American poet and columnist for The Nation.
“For me, religion is serious business — a farrago of authoritarian nonsense, misogyny and humble pie, the eternal enemy of human happiness and freedom.”

Well, this conversation, if you can call it that, has descended to a new low. I am not going to waste my time responding to someone who just vomited on their keyboard and clicked “submit”.

I will leave you with this though, some of the assumptions that you make about me are so laughable that, well, I was actually laughing out loud. Seriously, my side hurts. You call me close minded, an “uneducated…knuckle dragger.” Well, if only you knew! I’m sure that your walls are running out of space because of all of the degrees hanging on them. With you being so well versed in the fields of eugenics, space travel, archaeology, religion, murder/genocide, quoting irrelevant celebrities and on and on. My simple, closed, inferior “mind” simply cannot compete with yours… Ha! (almost kept a straight face)

You win Gord, I have completely lost interest in further discussion. Especially since you just posted a quote from Michael Moore… I have to go and rinse my mouth out.

Of course I win, I always do

Michael Moore is a great man………unlike you and your ilk

Begone